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It seems that the sentence "we learn to develop an enlightened vision of the world by visualizing ourselves as a [[buddha]] or deity" contradicts the later mention of Kriya yoga sadhanas, where it is not so much by visualizing ourselves as a buddha, but by visualizing it in front of making offerings and so on that we work with our minds. This description of a sadhana seems to apply more to highest yogatantra. Where is it from? | It seems that the sentence "we learn to develop an enlightened vision of the world by visualizing ourselves as a [[buddha]] or deity" contradicts the later mention of Kriya yoga sadhanas, where it is not so much by visualizing ourselves as a buddha, but by visualizing it in front of making offerings and so on that we work with our minds. This description of a sadhana seems to apply more to highest yogatantra. Where is it from? [[User:Gyurme|Gyurme]] | ||
:The original came from something Ian wrote back in the day. Let's continue to improve it. Keep it up! | |||
::--[[User:Adam|adam]] 14:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
Not sure I understand the meaning or purpose of the phrase "...deities, who in essence are the ultimate state of a buddha." This makes questions arise in my simple mind like: Is there a 'relative state' of a buddha? Is the purpose of this phrase to disambiguate the term 'deity' which could refer to a worldly god or deity? Could we instead try to infiltrate some kaya notion like '...deities, who are the manifestation of buddhas on the [[sambhogakaya]] level. | |||
:::--[[User:Sébastien|Sébastien]] 22:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:May be the ultimate state of buddhahood is better. It is more the question of a rather complex mind though. For the purpose of this sentence we would need to ask Ian what he meant. It seems to me that it is just explaining what a deity is in this context. Kaya infiltration might be difficult, as in most practices you visualise the DK, SK and NK. For example in the Tukdrup Barche Kunsel you actually approach all three deities the DK Amitabha, the SK Avalokitseshvara, and the NK Guru Rinpoche. This article needs a lot of more work, which I hope to be able to do in the very near future. | |||
::--Gyurmé 07:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
::thanks for your answer! You're right about the kayas; I thought about it later and realized I had an incorrect assumption. --[[User:Sébastien|Sébastien]] 12:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 12:06, 22 January 2011
It seems that the sentence "we learn to develop an enlightened vision of the world by visualizing ourselves as a buddha or deity" contradicts the later mention of Kriya yoga sadhanas, where it is not so much by visualizing ourselves as a buddha, but by visualizing it in front of making offerings and so on that we work with our minds. This description of a sadhana seems to apply more to highest yogatantra. Where is it from? Gyurme
- The original came from something Ian wrote back in the day. Let's continue to improve it. Keep it up!
- --adam 14:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Not sure I understand the meaning or purpose of the phrase "...deities, who in essence are the ultimate state of a buddha." This makes questions arise in my simple mind like: Is there a 'relative state' of a buddha? Is the purpose of this phrase to disambiguate the term 'deity' which could refer to a worldly god or deity? Could we instead try to infiltrate some kaya notion like '...deities, who are the manifestation of buddhas on the sambhogakaya level.
- --Sébastien 22:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- May be the ultimate state of buddhahood is better. It is more the question of a rather complex mind though. For the purpose of this sentence we would need to ask Ian what he meant. It seems to me that it is just explaining what a deity is in this context. Kaya infiltration might be difficult, as in most practices you visualise the DK, SK and NK. For example in the Tukdrup Barche Kunsel you actually approach all three deities the DK Amitabha, the SK Avalokitseshvara, and the NK Guru Rinpoche. This article needs a lot of more work, which I hope to be able to do in the very near future.
- --Gyurmé 07:43, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- thanks for your answer! You're right about the kayas; I thought about it later and realized I had an incorrect assumption. --Sébastien 12:06, 22 January 2011 (UTC)