Talk:Four Noble Truths

Could we change this to 'Four Truths of the Noble Ones'. I think by now it is clear to be more accurate.--Hankop (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2018 (CET) OK with me, but I'll let translators take the final decision. We can put 4 Noble Truths and 4 Realities of the Aryas in an Alternative Translations section towards the end of the article.--Sébastien (talk) 20:26, 9 November 2018 (CET)

Actually, I just noticed even 84.000 has not been able to resolve this. Dharmachakra, in The Sūtra of the Wheel of Dharma, says in the glossary:

Truth of noble beings: The four truths that the Buddha realized: suffering, origin, cessation, and path. They are named :“truths of noble beings” since only “noble beings” with knowledge of reality can understand them.

They are probably following Chandrakirti (I have just added that citation).

However, Padmakara, in their recent translation of The Transcendent Perfection of Wisdom in Ten Thousand Lines, has Four noble truths in the glossary, without any justification. --Hankop (talk) 11:18, 13 November 2018 (CET)